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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://emusictips.com/2009/03/dealing-with-the-artist-in-a-performance-venue/comment-page-1/#comment-1406</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely right, I wish more engineers would think that way. I worked at a concert-venue for several years and witnessed 100s of soundchecks and liveshows. The most unprofessional band can sound great with a good engineer, while the best band&#039;s perfomance will be ruined by grumpy, unmotivated sound-engineers with a lack of understanding and the wrong work-attitude. There&#039;s way too many frustrated mixers out there who secretely think they should be on stage and not the guys they are mixing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely right, I wish more engineers would think that way. I worked at a concert-venue for several years and witnessed 100s of soundchecks and liveshows. The most unprofessional band can sound great with a good engineer, while the best band&#8217;s perfomance will be ruined by grumpy, unmotivated sound-engineers with a lack of understanding and the wrong work-attitude. There&#8217;s way too many frustrated mixers out there who secretely think they should be on stage and not the guys they are mixing.</p>
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		<title>By: SoundAnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoundAnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 00:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an artist and a sound technician, I agree completely with the article and I believe that the view of the artist is accurate.  Another person commented on volume levels on stage, and he makes a very valid point.  Especially in venues indoors, I have cut several lead guitar player&#039;s channels(and a few keyboardists as well) because they insist that their amp goes to 11, so that is where it sounds the best.  In these cases, I usually end up mixing everything else to it from what I hear at the soundboard, and then walking around the venue to hear it from inside.

And I don&#039;t think that drinking while teching is such a bad thing, but in serious moderation.  I have seen techs lose their jobs because of their lack of said moderation.

There are exceptions to all of these.  Like artists who have stepped to the other side of the fence, and have been a live technician!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an artist and a sound technician, I agree completely with the article and I believe that the view of the artist is accurate.  Another person commented on volume levels on stage, and he makes a very valid point.  Especially in venues indoors, I have cut several lead guitar player&#8217;s channels(and a few keyboardists as well) because they insist that their amp goes to 11, so that is where it sounds the best.  In these cases, I usually end up mixing everything else to it from what I hear at the soundboard, and then walking around the venue to hear it from inside.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think that drinking while teching is such a bad thing, but in serious moderation.  I have seen techs lose their jobs because of their lack of said moderation.</p>
<p>There are exceptions to all of these.  Like artists who have stepped to the other side of the fence, and have been a live technician!</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;If they ask for something impossible, and they won’t listen to reason, just say yes and then deal with it your own way&#039; 
 this corresponds directly to a particular channel stripped named &#039;DFA&#039;, it is used in the situations when the artist, promoter or random drunk punter tells you do to something that you know is wrong. and if you haven&#039;t guessed it (or heard of it)...
 DFA = does F*** all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;If they ask for something impossible, and they won’t listen to reason, just say yes and then deal with it your own way&#8217;<br />
 this corresponds directly to a particular channel stripped named &#8216;DFA&#8217;, it is used in the situations when the artist, promoter or random drunk punter tells you do to something that you know is wrong. and if you haven&#8217;t guessed it (or heard of it)&#8230;<br />
 DFA = does F*** all!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked this post, and I certainly don&#039;t think that you mischaracterized musicians at all. Working with &quot;artists&quot; is always difficult, because despite the fact that there are probably a quarter-million Americans who can shred on a guitar (a conservative estimate), each one of them was the best at their highschool, and that&#039;s what shapes egos. 

Although, I have to say, I prefer to work with a beer in my hand. To me, it&#039;s one of the perks of the industry. Obviously, everyone has experienced the travesty of the drunken sound tech, but those bad apples don&#039;t keep getting gigs for long. 

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked this post, and I certainly don&#8217;t think that you mischaracterized musicians at all. Working with &#8220;artists&#8221; is always difficult, because despite the fact that there are probably a quarter-million Americans who can shred on a guitar (a conservative estimate), each one of them was the best at their highschool, and that&#8217;s what shapes egos. </p>
<p>Although, I have to say, I prefer to work with a beer in my hand. To me, it&#8217;s one of the perks of the industry. Obviously, everyone has experienced the travesty of the drunken sound tech, but those bad apples don&#8217;t keep getting gigs for long. </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Björgvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Björgvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. This is exactly the type of stuff I&#039;m talking about.

Thanks for the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. This is exactly the type of stuff I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>Thanks for the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Cory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heheh.
I thought you might find this story amusing...

Years ago I was doing live sound for a cover band. Everyone was happy with the sound and all was good until they introduced a &quot;lead guitar&quot; player into the band.

This guy was a typical show pony. He had a cordless system and he was constantly coming down off the stage to dance right at peoples tables, playing dicky lead on his knees and such. I don&#039;t know if he ever realized just how silly he looked or that a lot of these people were embarrassed when he approached them.

Anyway. The problem I had was that he constantly kept turning his volume up on stage. This was making it increasingly difficult to mix both foldback and FOH. The other members would start looking at me to let me know they couldn&#039;t hear themselves and I was constantly having to spend too much time adjusting his channel. In the end the other band members started asking him to turn it down but he still kept turning it up. By the second gig with this guy i&#039;d had enough...

I completely turned his channel off ;)

When he got down off stage (again) he noticed straight away and stormed over to me, giving me a blasting in the middle of the set.
After the gig I explained what happened to the other band members and told them I wouldn&#039;t be doing another gig for them as long as he was playing. The next week I got a call to say they had kicked him out.

God it was good though to see this idiot acting like a wanna-be-rockstar with no FOH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heheh.<br />
I thought you might find this story amusing&#8230;</p>
<p>Years ago I was doing live sound for a cover band. Everyone was happy with the sound and all was good until they introduced a &#8220;lead guitar&#8221; player into the band.</p>
<p>This guy was a typical show pony. He had a cordless system and he was constantly coming down off the stage to dance right at peoples tables, playing dicky lead on his knees and such. I don&#8217;t know if he ever realized just how silly he looked or that a lot of these people were embarrassed when he approached them.</p>
<p>Anyway. The problem I had was that he constantly kept turning his volume up on stage. This was making it increasingly difficult to mix both foldback and FOH. The other members would start looking at me to let me know they couldn&#8217;t hear themselves and I was constantly having to spend too much time adjusting his channel. In the end the other band members started asking him to turn it down but he still kept turning it up. By the second gig with this guy i&#8217;d had enough&#8230;</p>
<p>I completely turned his channel off <img src='http://emusictips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>When he got down off stage (again) he noticed straight away and stormed over to me, giving me a blasting in the middle of the set.<br />
After the gig I explained what happened to the other band members and told them I wouldn&#8217;t be doing another gig for them as long as he was playing. The next week I got a call to say they had kicked him out.</p>
<p>God it was good though to see this idiot acting like a wanna-be-rockstar with no FOH.</p>
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		<title>By: Björgvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Björgvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guten Tag, David. 
Thank you for your comments, they are of great value to me. Although I am simplifying the &quot;artist&quot; stereotype, I am an artist myself and have caught myself in all of these positions. I am just saying that once in a while, you either encounter one of them or become them.

Many of my best friends are musicians of some sort and although mostly professional, they can sometimes fall into these &quot;traps&quot;.

At the same time, I am a live sound-tech, recording engineer and produce some of my friend&#039;s material so I tend to know a little about how it is to be on both sides of the glass. I absolutely despise and loathe the sound-techs that think it is okay to drink during gigs, or just sit around indifferent of how bad the band is sounding live. 

So in a way, I agree with everything you said. But that doesn&#039;t mean the things I said weren&#039;t true, some of the time, for some of the artists. 

For unusual history, instrumentation and arrangement I recommend Beach Boys - Good Vibrations. 

Danke schön.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guten Tag, David.<br />
Thank you for your comments, they are of great value to me. Although I am simplifying the &#8220;artist&#8221; stereotype, I am an artist myself and have caught myself in all of these positions. I am just saying that once in a while, you either encounter one of them or become them.</p>
<p>Many of my best friends are musicians of some sort and although mostly professional, they can sometimes fall into these &#8220;traps&#8221;.</p>
<p>At the same time, I am a live sound-tech, recording engineer and produce some of my friend&#8217;s material so I tend to know a little about how it is to be on both sides of the glass. I absolutely despise and loathe the sound-techs that think it is okay to drink during gigs, or just sit around indifferent of how bad the band is sounding live. </p>
<p>So in a way, I agree with everything you said. But that doesn&#8217;t mean the things I said weren&#8217;t true, some of the time, for some of the artists. </p>
<p>For unusual history, instrumentation and arrangement I recommend Beach Boys &#8211; Good Vibrations. </p>
<p>Danke schön.</p>
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		<title>By: david galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>david galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thoughts on this article and the comments: i am an artist meeself and i find the general primadonna badge this article suggests too simplyfying. i know, it is written with the tool of sarcasme to highlight a certain porblem within the musical performance community. on the one hand i have had my own share with sound technitians during live gigs. be it, they werew away from the mixing desk having a beer during performance and not even returning when OBVIOUSLY things went very wrong soundwise, or them just staring onto the oscilloscope while soundchecking, forgetting about their ears. again, just as i find the image depicted in your blog about the &#039;artists&#039; is too much simplyfied, so is mine about the engeneering side. you said, and i quote: &quot;...Because in the end, it’s their concert or record and if they want it a certain way for them to be happy, make them happy. This could spiral out into pretty hard to swallow actions, like making the guitar sound terrible or putting things to the front that you think don’t belong there....&quot;

writing music and sound, one is like painter, many with their unique sense of definition and mix of colours. we produce and perform emotion, and it is only possible if it becomes a team effort. and if the guitar were to be mixed into accoustic spaces an enngeneer finds scholasitcally ridiculous, simply look into pop history and see what unusual and often really weird accoustic setups made the charts... 

and finally, i believe that not only the engeneers are of the serving kind, but also the artists. unfortunately many artists seem to forget that they are serving as well and that the cheers of a crowd are a sum of individual cheers. imagine if, everytime you walk into a bakery there was applasue, because the shortbread there is so yummy. we are all serving each other in our unique ways. but also - only very few are mature enough not to fall for the illusion of huge acclaim.
david

ps. sorry if the article seems to be a bit jumpy - english is not my mother tongue and i am not yet used to writing - so my trail of thoughts might bi a bit choppy at times.. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thoughts on this article and the comments: i am an artist meeself and i find the general primadonna badge this article suggests too simplyfying. i know, it is written with the tool of sarcasme to highlight a certain porblem within the musical performance community. on the one hand i have had my own share with sound technitians during live gigs. be it, they werew away from the mixing desk having a beer during performance and not even returning when OBVIOUSLY things went very wrong soundwise, or them just staring onto the oscilloscope while soundchecking, forgetting about their ears. again, just as i find the image depicted in your blog about the &#8216;artists&#8217; is too much simplyfied, so is mine about the engeneering side. you said, and i quote: &#8220;&#8230;Because in the end, it’s their concert or record and if they want it a certain way for them to be happy, make them happy. This could spiral out into pretty hard to swallow actions, like making the guitar sound terrible or putting things to the front that you think don’t belong there&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>writing music and sound, one is like painter, many with their unique sense of definition and mix of colours. we produce and perform emotion, and it is only possible if it becomes a team effort. and if the guitar were to be mixed into accoustic spaces an enngeneer finds scholasitcally ridiculous, simply look into pop history and see what unusual and often really weird accoustic setups made the charts&#8230; </p>
<p>and finally, i believe that not only the engeneers are of the serving kind, but also the artists. unfortunately many artists seem to forget that they are serving as well and that the cheers of a crowd are a sum of individual cheers. imagine if, everytime you walk into a bakery there was applasue, because the shortbread there is so yummy. we are all serving each other in our unique ways. but also &#8211; only very few are mature enough not to fall for the illusion of huge acclaim.<br />
david</p>
<p>ps. sorry if the article seems to be a bit jumpy &#8211; english is not my mother tongue and i am not yet used to writing &#8211; so my trail of thoughts might bi a bit choppy at times.. <img src='http://emusictips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bjorgvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>bjorgvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. It&#039;s fun to know I&#039;m not the only one that thinks like this. 

Stay tuned for a similar article about creativity in the studio.

Björgvin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. It&#8217;s fun to know I&#8217;m not the only one that thinks like this. </p>
<p>Stay tuned for a similar article about creativity in the studio.</p>
<p>Björgvin.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! This article is so true - and funny at the same time. I&#039;m a freelance session and performance musician, and the &quot;artist&quot; is nearly always at least one of the above examples - I stand in my spot and chuckle to myself! 

Great article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! This article is so true &#8211; and funny at the same time. I&#8217;m a freelance session and performance musician, and the &#8220;artist&#8221; is nearly always at least one of the above examples &#8211; I stand in my spot and chuckle to myself! </p>
<p>Great article!</p>
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